Jesse Keenan, the Favrot II Associate Professor of Sustainable Real Estate and Urban Planning and the Founding Director of the Center for Climate Change and Urbanism at Tulane University, joins John to discuss the second transformation: Heat is moving north due to climate change, affecting regions and cities unprepared for prolonged high temperatures. Rising temperatures are straining public health systems, housing stability, and economic resilience, and driving new migration patterns across the U.S.

John Sabo continues the conversation on the first transformation —the deserts of the west moving eastward—with Brian Smoliak, an entrepreneur and climate scientist at Two Degrees Adapt. Brian shares insights on how climate change is affecting agriculture, and discusses innovative solutions helping farmers adapt.